I wrote this in response to emails from a reader who was concerned that a rapid U.S. withdrawal from Iraq and Afghanistan, as advocated by Ralph Nader, would lead to chaos in the region, control by the Taliban, and further suffering.
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We are not preventing chaos in the Middle East, we are causing it.
I doubt that the Taliban will take over Iraq. Al-Qaeda, which is fundamentalist Muslim but not the same thing as the Taliban, has quickly worn out its welcome in Iraq by indiscriminate killing. Iraq was a secular country before we invaded and set off a civil war which has killed around a million people, a strange way to keep Iraqis from suffering.
I don’t like the Taliban, but my feelings about them are irrelevant. It is up to the people in Afghanistan and Pakistan to decide how they want to run their countries. Right now we’re supporting a loose coalition of warlords in Afghanistan, and killing a lot of noncombatants. We are not the good guys in Iraq, Afghanistan or Pakistan, we’re the bad guys.
Pakistan has nuclear weapons, so it is very dangerous for us to further destabilize it by invading along its border with Afghanistan, which Obama wants to do, and which Bush is already doing to some extent, or by trying to force the Pakistan government to fight the border tribes. We are spreading the Afghanistan war into Pakistan, just as Nixon spread the Vietnam war into Thailand and Cambodia, with genocidal results. Where does it stop, when the whole Middle East is in flames?
As I understand it, the most basic problem with Middle Eastern countries is that their populations are very young, with lots of unemployed young men, and autocratic governments which aren’t doing anything about creating enough jobs. This creates fertile ground for recruitment by fundamentalists.
There are also long-standing, well deserved resentments against the U.S. and other rich countries for supporting those autocratic governments, in order to control the oil and do business. Doing business includes selling large numbers of weapons to these governments, a great opportunity for our “defense” industry. The U.S. is one of the world’s leading arms dealers.
Our troops are not in Iraq or Afghanistan to protect the people. That’s not what they do. They kill people. That is their job, what they are paid to do. The majority of the people they kill are noncombatants who were in the wrong place at the wrong time. On a CNN panel discussion, an Iraqi said that their houses are very close together, so when we bomb one it also takes out the houses on either side. The U.S. uses air power as much as possible to keep down our troop casualties.
One of the soldiers interviewed in “The Ground Truth” talked about what happens when they take fire from an area. They just saturate the area with return fire. This suppresses the incoming fire, but it also kills or wounds everyone else in the area. This is what the soldiers are told to do by their commanders. They come back with guilty consciences and PTSD.
We invaded Iraq in order to control its oil and use its land for military bases to extend control over the rest of the Middle East, and its oil. We have the blood of over a million people on our hands. This is murder for profit, to protect our middle-class way of life, and there is no way it can be morally justified. We have to get out, as quickly as is physically possible. I won’t vote for anything less. To do so would make me morally responsible for the killing which will happen in the following years, as we drag it out.
By the way, Joe Biden, Obama’s new VP, was a prime mover in starting the Iraq war. He advocated it years before it started. This is the man Obama picked for his foreign policy “experience.” Today’s Register-Guard has an approving editorial making an unfortunate comparison with Kennedy picking LBJ because of his political experience. We know how that turned out. Experience doesn’t cure stupidity.
August 26, 2008 at 7:31 pm |
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August 27, 2008 at 11:33 pm |
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October 21, 2008 at 7:03 am |
Stabilizing Iraq so that we can “exit safely” is also a redundancy in the argument for a “smooth exit strategy.”
When will we say that Iraq is stabilized, now that we have destabilized it so that the war hawks and oil profiteers keep pointing to this as reasoning for our continuing to illegally occupy it. For starts, we have no right to be there and invaded a sovereign country under false, misleading and illegal pretenses. Secondly, we can stay as long as it takes to “stabilize” it and then it could easily break-out into a civil war when we leave. No exit strategy will ever solve for this… we caused it and we are not the cure for fixing it. What is to say we are not making matters worse by staying… have we really been a stabilizing force, thus far… I mean, really… have we?
Third, the Iraqi people didn’t invite us there in the first place, they are not fond of our presence or of years of war, sanctions and instability under our watch, and there is not a ground swell of support for a timed exit. If the USA was bombed to smitherines and occupied by Iraq and Afghanistan… what would be our hopeful time line for their safely planned-out exit strategy?
Would over 4000+ American lives and over 30,000 wounded soldiers (not including mental scars and effects from depleted uranium) be tell tale signs that we are not welcome there? Are numerous road-side bombs and guerrilla-style fighting suggestions of a dead giveaway of lack of support for a well thought out plan of exit?
Are the people of Iraq and Afghanistan please with the “Surge” to maintain occupation or the “Mission Accomplished” in the war for their oil resources each cost the lives of their loved ones, their, neighbors, their way of life as they knew it?
Was a dictator all that bad considering the Operation Iraqi Liberation (OIL) to bring them their “grassroots democracy” in the form of an installed government not of their choosing? Did they really want our form of dictated government, our crafted constitution, our appointed people to head it up? By staying, we suppress democracy and a government of, by and for the People… but, perhaps, just maybe, that is the point in not exiting?
Who better to know how to govern than the Americans, right? On your chart of votes for war… take a gander at both Kucinich and Paul. Across the board on every single vote, they voted unanimously, either, NO or had a “No vote” on each of those roll calls! All of them! They show that voting NO is possible and desirable when you want to end a war.
When you want to end a war, you DON’T continue funding it when you have the power of the purse! Congress holds the checkbook… they say what gets funded and not. Voting yes when there is only an exit strategy has no effect, that takes a super majority to counter a Veto! War funding, whatsoever, takes a simple majority of 50 plus 1… that’s it… and they know it!
This war isn’t stopping, because they must want it. The Dems. have a majority and a mandate, but are out to lunch on the collective no vote. If elected… I would vote no on all war funding… period!